Second Bonzai Book Club Discussion Group: “Counterclockwise”, Chapters 1-5

October 13th, 2011 - filed under: Furthermore » Bonzai Book Club



Damn, but I am seriously enjoying this book. I’ve had so many “HELL YEAH” moments and “Oh, Crap!” moments and “OH OF COURSE!” moments, that I don’t even know where to start this discussion. Not to mention the fact that I really just want to write about each of the amazing studies, so we can all sit around and talk about how friggin’ cool they are!

Have you guys kept up with the reading? I sure hope so, because I want to talk about this stuff! As usual, I’m going to provide a few prompts. I’ll let you guys have some time to respond before I weigh in with my own thoughts. Can’t wait to hear from you!


1. Counterclockwise is all about being mindful – that is, noticing the world around you, and the way that it changes, all the time. The problem, Langer writes, is that “When we are mindless we “are not there” to notice that we are not there.” This is a paradox! How do you keep yourself “there”.

2. In the Counterclockwise study that the book is named for, Langer took a group of elderly gentlemen and had them live for a week as though it were 20 years earlier. In every way, from the music they listened to, to the food they ate, to the objects they interacted with, they were living in the past – except that they talked about it as if it were the present. At the end of the week the changes they experienced were remarkable, including better vision, increased mental acuity, less pain/arthritis, and on. The transformation was so extreme that strangers, looking at photographs taken before and after the experiment, guessed that the people in the “after” photographs were actually younger!

This groundbreaking study was one of the first to indicate the mind’s role in bodily health (this was back in the 70s and it was quite a new concept back then). If it is true that our mind dictates our physiology, how can YOU apply that knowledge to your own life?

3. Langer writes about how we suffer from mindlessness because we seek certainty, and nowhere is this more disastrous than with our own health. The medical model seems to demand a dichotomous “healthy or sick” mentality. Instead of this, Langer asks us to consider, “When my arms and legs are strong and I can breath like an Olympic swimmer and I have an ear infection, am I healthy or sick? When my vision and hearing are excellent and my lungs are strong and I have MS, am I healthy or sick?”

Your thoughts?

4. This “psychology of possibility” is all about empowerment. Langer writes, “We can all say we believe in the possibility of improvement, but unless we really do, we won’t find it. That is, we are more likely to find it if we look than if we presume it cannot be found . . . We believe there are known limits to how fast we can run, how much we should eat or not eat, how quickly our bones can heal, or how much sleep is necessary to perform efficiently . . . ”

I love this idea and yet I am wary of it. It sounds eerily similar to the crystal-twinkie New Age, “The Secret”, just-will-yourself-pretty-and-rich!, “What The Bleep Do We Know?” sort of talk that makes me very uncomfortable. Though to be fair, I think a lot of this modern “manifest your destiny” ferver is based in a large part on Langer’s work, and not the other way around. Do you think there’s a difference between what Langer and her research are trying to convey, versus the sort of message that modern gurus and books like “The Secret” are selling?

5. Have you had any “HELL YEAH” moments or “Oh, Crap!” moments or “OH OF COURSE!” moments of your own? Please tell me about them!


See you in the comments!

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    1. Counterclockwise is all about being mindful – that is, noticing the world around you, and the way that it changes, all the time. The problem, Langer writes, is that “When we are mindless we “are not there” to notice that we are not there.” This is a paradox! How do you keep yourself “there”.

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    2. In the Counterclockwise study that the book is named for, Langer took a group of elderly gentlemen and had them live for a week as though it were 20 years earlier. In every way, from the music they listened to, to the food they ate, to the objects they interacted with, they were living in the past – except that they talked about it as if it were the present. At the end of the week the changes they experienced were remarkable, including better vision, increased mental acuity, less pain/arthritis, and on. The transformation was so extreme that strangers, looking at photographs taken before and after the experiment, guessed that the people in the “after” photographs were actually younger!

    This groundbreaking study was one of the first to indicate the mind’s role in bodily health (this was back in the 70s and it was quite a new concept back then). If it is true that our mind dictates our physiology, how can YOU apply that knowledge to your own life?

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    3. Langer writes about how we suffer from mindlessness because we seek certainty, and nowhere is this more disastrous than with our own health. The medical model seems to demand a dichotomous “healthy or sick” mentality. Instead of this, Langer asks us to consider, “When my arms and legs are strong and I can breath like an Olympic swimmer and I have an ear infection, am I healthy or sick? When my vision and hearing are excellent and my lungs are strong and I have MS, am I healthy or sick?”

    Your thoughts?

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    4. This “psychology of possibility” is all about empowerment. Langer writes, “We can all say we believe in the possibility of improvement, but unless we really do, we won’t find it. That is, we are more likely to find it if we look than if we presume it cannot be found . . . We believe there are known limits to how fast we can run, how much we should eat or not eat, how quickly our bones can heal, or how much sleep is necessary to perform efficiently . . . ”

    I love this idea and yet I am wary of it. It sounds eerily similar to the crystal-twinkie New Age, “The Secret”, just-will-yourself-pretty-and-rich!, “What The Bleep Do We Know?” sort of talk that makes me very uncomfortable. Though to be fair, I think a lot of this modern “manifest your destiny” ferver is based in a large part on Langer’s work, and not the other way around. Do you think there’s a difference between what Langer and her research are trying to convey, versus the sort of message that modern gurus and books like “The Secret” are selling?

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    5. Have you had any “HELL YEAH” moments or “Oh, Crap!” moments or “OH OF COURSE!” moments of your own? Please tell me about them!

  • Megan

    More frequently science is confirming a very ancient understanding of the body. Chinese medicine for example, which really does “work,” describes the emotions as housed in the blood. Different organs hold different forms of thought: like worry, sadness, anger, joy.

    What “What the Bleep,” etc. describe is that mind has a lot of creative potential. One’s perspective can literally create life. This is very common sense. If you go through life complaining. feeling like a victim, and embittered, it wears down the nervous system from a totally biochemical standpoint. Like flight-or-flight hormones galore which sets the body up for all kinds of problems since these biochemical signals are pro-inflammatory.

    I mention Chinese medicine because it’s a 3,000 year old practice that looks at the mind-body relationship. I have seen Chinese medicine do remarkable things, ranging from deep internal autoimmune issues to both chronic and acute pain resolution.

    I think that both Langer and New Age cult messages are saying the same thing, which for some reason the Western mind takes as airy fairy or superstitious: mind matters (and so does mindfulness).

  • Kim

    This sounds fascinating – I can’t wait to read it.

  • Aaron

    As if my “To-Read” list wasn’t long enough, now you’ve gone and made it longer! This sounds like a GREAT read! I can’t wait to get it from my local library.

    As a philosophical Buddhist, mindfulness has always been a daily goal. There is so much we miss every day…and yet, we’ve all heard the adage about taking time to smell the roses. In this day and age, with all of the technology we have keeping us constantly in the know about ‘everything,’ it’s easy to lose one’s focus. Like a thousand points of light, our minds can lose their luminescence when we’re spread too thin. We all need to make it a habit to unplug for a while, sit in serene silence, and just be. It’s amazing how refreshed you can feel after a mere 5 minutes of silent thought or simple deep breathing.

  • Aaron

    Most recent “HELL YEAH”: A friend is someone who believes in you, even you have stopped believing in yourself.

  • Gem Wilder

    The concept of living as if I’m younger is definitely something I want to try. I had a total “Of course!” moment when reading about the living in the past study. I don’t know how it could make a difference to my life physiologically, but mentally I often feel like it’s too late to do all the things I thought I was going to do when I was younger. Crazy, I know, considering I’m only 30, but when I turned 30 I felt like I hadn’t really achieved anything significant in my 20s. If I start to live like I still have my whole adult life ahead of me that would be way more motivating, and I’d feel less defeated. Hard to explain, but I’m going to give it a try and see what happens.

  • http://simplybeme.com Jenny

    I haven’t read any of the book, in fact, I don’t even own a copy, but I’m going to jump in anyways if that’s ok. I have no idea if I am even close to fully understanding the difference between being mindful and mindless but…

    After reading your post it made me realize that my husband is probably one of the most mindful people I know. One example I can think of is the tidiness of our house. I admit that I get overwhelemed by the mess that occurs from having a toddler. I tend to only see the mess for what it is physically – a room full of scattered toys, etc. My husband? He sees it as a sign that our son had fun playing, was exploring and learning. He oftens tells me that when they have a dad-son day the emphasis is on fun and learning, not cleaning.

    My husband definitely helps keep me “there”. He makes sure I enjoy the moment without worrying about what has to be done later in the day, the week or the month.

    Thanks for letting me join the conversation :)

  • http://www.thevegetablecentrickitchen.com Rande McDaniel

    Sounds like a really interesting book, I may see if my library has it!

  • CraftyEarthMama

    I saw your post come over the MoFo feed and just wanted to say Hi! I’m MoFoing this year too :)
    We were in a March due date group together 19 months ago(cocoanib).
    Anyhoo- this book sounds right up my alley. I’m on the think it be it train these days :)

  • Lisa

    I can’t sit still but I make a point of stopping what I am doing every hour to hour and a half and spend 2 min. Kissing and loving on my cat ( I work from home). I also did this with my daughter when she was younger. It acts as a “reset” and my focus is better for it – as are my relationships.

  • Natalia

    “He sees it as a sign that our son had fun playing, was exploring and learning” I love that! I wish my parents thought like that when I was young. At my house mess=mess ;)

  • I.G.

    I haven’t read the book, but I am taking Health Psychology at University right now, which argues that we now have an alternative to the biomedical model: the biopsychosocial, multifactorial model where health is about wellness as much as absence of disease.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopsychosocial_model
    So I don’t see any need to follow the dichotomous thinking and see things on a wide continuum.

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    I love this! And, I could learn a thing or two from your husband. =)

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    Yeah, I definitely feel like that we’re collectively moving towards that consensus regarding health (though it is still “fringe” in some circles). It’s neat because when Langer started out, she was regarded with such skepticism. How far we’ve come!

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    I wonder, though, how much of the success of Chinese medicine (or Western medicine! any healing modality) has to do with the mind-body connection itself (ie, “will yourself well”), as opposed to the actual power of the technique? Not THAT’S an interesting question!

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    Oh, hell yeah! =)

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    This is what I thought about when I turned 30 earlier this year:

    Imagine being ten years old. Think about your ten-year old self. Now think about your thirty-year old self. Think about aaaaaalllll that happened in those years in between. Even if it was nothing *omg*spectacular*significant*, it was still a lot of stuff and a lot of change!

    Now realize that the same amount of time will pass all over again – all that experience and memory and learning and living and growing and *changing* – will happen all over again, and then you’ll be 50.

    And THEN, at that point, YOU’RE ONLY HALF WAY DONE.

    Girl, you are young.

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    It’s so good!

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    I try really hard to practice mindfulness, but it’s so difficult for me! I find it really helps to see it approached from yet another angle. I hope you like the book!

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    I hope you can get your hands on it!

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    I REMEMBER YOU! Oh wow, how are you? How’s your little girl?

  • Megan

    Hi Sayward,
    That’s just it! The success of Chinese medicine is all about the mind-body connection. And it acknowledges this, up front. In TCM, your technique is only as good as your understanding.

    In Chinese medicine, the mind-body connection isn’t some New Age bandwagon. Rather, it’s common sense, practical, and logical. This sort of thinking has deeeeep ancestral roots and the theories it generates are practiced in hospitals throughout the country, studied and documented in peer-reviewed journals, etc.

    “Will yourself well,” may be oversimplifying the mind-body connection. You picked up as much from The Secret, What the Bleep, etc.

    Nonetheless, I think it’s pretty interesting to see current science confirming on a molecular level what old medicine already knew: that there is a connection between the mind and the body and that all things are indeed interrelated.

    Which is why, for example, a straight-up pharmaceutical drug can oftentimes do more harm than good in the body. Which is also why things that seem simple- TOO simple- things like diet and nutrition, or a vaginal birth and breast-feeding can all make a significant impact on health. Science explains these discoveries in health with the names of hormones, commensal bacteria, and breaking down pathways involved in the gut-brain axis. Likewise, Chinese medicine has it’s own set of words and trajectories (that’s been in use for thousands of years!!) to say the same thing, if not more because it already accepts the complexity of the human body.

  • Aaron

    I just picked it up from my library. I can’t wait to dig in! :D

  • Moira

    Seriously! My Mom just celebrated her 60th birthday. As part of the celebration, she and my Dad joined me and my husband on a trekking adventure to Machu Picchu. That included biking (getting covered in mud), ziplining through the jungle, and trekking all the way to Machu Picchu. Never had she thought she’d be doing this in her life, and here she is doing it at 60. She’s hooked! And she sees herself doing many more adventures in the years to come.

    Lovin life is a lifelong journey :)

  • http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/ Sayward Rebhal

    I agree with a lot of what you’ve said, but I also feel like Chinese Medicine suffers from the same constraints as ANY system that claims to heal universally. Which is just that – *there simply isn’t universality to healing*. Clearly Chinese Medicine works for you, which is wonderful and you’re lucky to have found something that resonates so deeply without.

    Still, Chinese Medicine is not the answer for everyone. For example, it’s usually not the answer for me! One of the main reasons is that traditional Chinese Medicine (that’s a “little t” traditional, not necessarily TCM) pretty much prohibits significant amounts of raw foods and relies heavily on animal foods. So for me, an ethical vegan who inarguably feels my best when eating high-raw, Chinese Medicine just doesn’t jive with my lifestyle.

    But like I said, I fully believe that it DOES work wonders for some people. Which is why I wonder how much of the success that each of us get from our healing modality of choice, is “in the mind”, as opposed to the literal result of the technique being applied!

  • Megan

    Thanks for your response!

    Guess what?!? Chinese medicine does work for raw vegans! One of my favorite practitioners is an acupuncturist and he recommends a high-raw, animal free diet. A friend of mine just finished acupuncture school, and he is 100% raw, gluten-free, and vegan.

    I live in LA, where the raw vegan community has a huge interface with certain members of Chinese medicine community. I mean, so many of the superfoods that we know and love are Chinese herbs, right?? I am sure Portland has its own niche of renegade acupuncturists that do not adhere to animal-based diet principles.

    It is totally true that everyone has their own unique medicine. The path to happiness, energy, a strong mind, and a long life is unique to each person.

    As far as I know acupuncture is the only traditional therapy covered by insurance companies. Why? Cause the medical community at large and worldwide sees it as legit.

    So, when I speak of Chinese medicine, really I am speaking about the mind-body connection. Whether its needles, touch, the power of suggestion, mindfulness, mantra, crystals, feathers, prayer, or a placebo sugar pill there is certainly evidence of a mind-body connection that extends beyond technique and beyond mind.

    Acupuncture itself- meaning just small needles- can do amazing things in the body and treat disorders related hormone balance, blood sugar, and even toxicity or infections in the body.

    Maybe this is because there is more effort put on seeing the patterns, rather than cause and effect. There is a certain intelligence in the body that is beyond mental understanding.

    So incredible! :)