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		<title>By: NotSoCarageenan</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotSoCarageenan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carageenan is an ultra-refined, non-nutritive additive we now know is definitely not safe and should not be on this list.  As you know, vegan does not automatically equal healthy.  There are numerous studies linking it to colitis and GI upset, among other concerns.  Be well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carageenan is an ultra-refined, non-nutritive additive we now know is definitely not safe and should not be on this list.  As you know, vegan does not automatically equal healthy.  There are numerous studies linking it to colitis and GI upset, among other concerns.  Be well.</p>
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		<title>By: Sayward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sayward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 19:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Alyssa - Ah yes. Well when it comes to health and processed foods I do understand the quandary. For me, my moral imperative to not use animals overrides the issue, but likeI said  I understand that perspective. So for me, I just try to use less processed alternatives. I make my own nut milks when I can, but when I can&#039;t I buy the unsweetened boxed stuff and I don&#039;t let it bother me - they&#039;re fortified and I appreciate the occasional extras!  =)

I&#039;ve pretty much omitted Earthbalance by using coconut oil, which is much less processed and very good for you. It took me a spell to get used to it but now I LOVE it, to cook/saute with, on cornbread or toast like butter, in baking, pretty much everywhere. I really adore it! The only time I use Earthbalance is in my cupcake frosting, and that&#039;s a very rare treat.

Nina Planck and Sally Fallon have some nice ideas, like soaking grains, cutting out all processed foods, eating ferments . . . basically eating REAL food. But I have done a lot - like, a LOT - of research into the WAPF and their ilk, and the truth is that they are agenda-driven, lobbyist-supported, and their &#039;science&#039; just doesn&#039;t stand up. I get very frustrated because they are marketing geniuses and the story they spin is sure a seductive one. Obviously, since it sucked me in enough so that I&#039;ve dedicated a ridiculous amount of time to learning and fact-checking their theories.

Basically, abstaining from animals can be really tough - it&#039;s not the easy road even though it&#039;s the right one. But if you can make people believe that they should eat animals, and are, in fact, *righteous* for doing so, well then that&#039;s a pretty easy sell - you&#039;ve told them just exactly what they want to hear. It&#039;s sad to me that so many well-meaning people buy into that happy meat bull$@!*. Very frustrating. But I digress.

Again, you&#039;ve got me ranting!  =D  Obviously these are issues that I&#039;m very passionate about . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alyssa &#8211; Ah yes. Well when it comes to health and processed foods I do understand the quandary. For me, my moral imperative to not use animals overrides the issue, but likeI said  I understand that perspective. So for me, I just try to use less processed alternatives. I make my own nut milks when I can, but when I can&#8217;t I buy the unsweetened boxed stuff and I don&#8217;t let it bother me &#8211; they&#8217;re fortified and I appreciate the occasional extras!  =)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve pretty much omitted Earthbalance by using coconut oil, which is much less processed and very good for you. It took me a spell to get used to it but now I LOVE it, to cook/saute with, on cornbread or toast like butter, in baking, pretty much everywhere. I really adore it! The only time I use Earthbalance is in my cupcake frosting, and that&#8217;s a very rare treat.</p>
<p>Nina Planck and Sally Fallon have some nice ideas, like soaking grains, cutting out all processed foods, eating ferments . . . basically eating REAL food. But I have done a lot &#8211; like, a LOT &#8211; of research into the WAPF and their ilk, and the truth is that they are agenda-driven, lobbyist-supported, and their &#8216;science&#8217; just doesn&#8217;t stand up. I get very frustrated because they are marketing geniuses and the story they spin is sure a seductive one. Obviously, since it sucked me in enough so that I&#8217;ve dedicated a ridiculous amount of time to learning and fact-checking their theories.</p>
<p>Basically, abstaining from animals can be really tough &#8211; it&#8217;s not the easy road even though it&#8217;s the right one. But if you can make people believe that they should eat animals, and are, in fact, *righteous* for doing so, well then that&#8217;s a pretty easy sell &#8211; you&#8217;ve told them just exactly what they want to hear. It&#8217;s sad to me that so many well-meaning people buy into that happy meat bull$@!*. Very frustrating. But I digress.</p>
<p>Again, you&#8217;ve got me ranting!  =D  Obviously these are issues that I&#8217;m very passionate about . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyssa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 21:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much Sayward! I am glad you went on and on! I will definitely check out that book. My whole problem isn&#039;t so much vegan vs local, but vs processed! So sometimes I get it in my head that maybe butter from cows treated nicely is better than soy product. But of course, you&#039;re totally right about dairy!
I don&#039;t drink milk anyway, but I am in nursing right now and all of a sudden it just a few months ago how disgusting it is that the enzyme needed is &quot;lactase&quot; and it is to break down another animal&#039;s sugars that they lactate out. That&#039;s probably so obvious, but I never had thought about it in those terms. 
My boyfriend&#039;s mom is just totally on a kick about it... she called me her &quot;food soulmate&quot;... except I don&#039;t eat meat! She keeps getting me these books like &quot;Nourishing Traditions&quot; and &quot;Real Food&quot; to convince me that I need animal products in my diet! But really I think you can get them anywhere! I am just freaked out about any processed food now but you&#039;re so right make all your own and just earthbalance isn&#039;t going to do any harm. Maybe for the people being vegan that eat all of the fake soy products almost exclusively... but I would never do that anyway!

Thank you again so much for the information. That was exactly what I needed to hear right now!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much Sayward! I am glad you went on and on! I will definitely check out that book. My whole problem isn&#8217;t so much vegan vs local, but vs processed! So sometimes I get it in my head that maybe butter from cows treated nicely is better than soy product. But of course, you&#8217;re totally right about dairy!<br />
I don&#8217;t drink milk anyway, but I am in nursing right now and all of a sudden it just a few months ago how disgusting it is that the enzyme needed is &#8220;lactase&#8221; and it is to break down another animal&#8217;s sugars that they lactate out. That&#8217;s probably so obvious, but I never had thought about it in those terms.<br />
My boyfriend&#8217;s mom is just totally on a kick about it&#8230; she called me her &#8220;food soulmate&#8221;&#8230; except I don&#8217;t eat meat! She keeps getting me these books like &#8220;Nourishing Traditions&#8221; and &#8220;Real Food&#8221; to convince me that I need animal products in my diet! But really I think you can get them anywhere! I am just freaked out about any processed food now but you&#8217;re so right make all your own and just earthbalance isn&#8217;t going to do any harm. Maybe for the people being vegan that eat all of the fake soy products almost exclusively&#8230; but I would never do that anyway!</p>
<p>Thank you again so much for the information. That was exactly what I needed to hear right now!</p>
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		<title>By: Sayward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sayward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 20:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks everyone, so glad you found this valuable. Like Christa said, it&#039;s important to keep ourselves educated! I was happy to learn all of these and thought it important to share.  =)

@ Alyssa - I understand what you&#039;re saying, but I think that the common conception of &quot;vegan vs local&quot; is a &lt;em&gt;mis&lt;/em&gt;conception! I eat almost exclusively local by shopping my farmers market and my co op. The rest of the stuff (coconut oil, Earthbalance, alt milks when I&#039;m not &lt;a href=&quot;http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/2010/08/do-nuts-have-nipples-how-to-make-homemade-alt-milk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;making my own&lt;/a&gt; with local nuts, etc) are a fraction of my diet and honestly, I don&#039;t sweat it.

I do not believe that &#039;eating local&#039; is as simply superiors as the local-vore movement presents it. There is a great interview on this &lt;a href=&quot;http://animalvoices.ca/2009/08/11/no-easy-answers-mcwilliams-takes-on-locavore-logic/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, if you&#039;re interested. The author wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/031603374X?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=bonzaaphro-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=031603374X&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Just Food: Where Locavores Get it Wrong and How We Can Truly Eat Responsibly&lt;/a&gt;. Worth checking out as an alternate perspective to the dominant narrative.

The truth is that animal agriculture is very resource intensive, even on a small scale (more or less so depending on where you live). And this doesn&#039;t even include the ethical argument. For me, dairy would never ever be an option. I believed that dairy was wrong when I went vegan, but once I became a mother it was absolutely solidified in my mind. As I&#039;m sure you know, cows must become pregnant (almost always forcibly impregnated) in order to produce milk. The milk is for their calf, and by taking it we are taking from the baby and interfering with that mother&#039;s natural relationship with her calf. Obviously in a CAFO the calf is taken from the mother all together. Maybe on a small farm the calf can stay for a while, but we&#039;re still taking it&#039;s milk and supplementing with something inferior. And if the calf is a male, what then? On small farms they can&#039;t afford to just house and feed 50% of the babies born, for the duration of their lives (20 years), with no return. Of course not - they are sold for slaughter. Which is exactly what happens to the dairy cows once the intensive cycle of constant pregnancy and lactation leaves them sick and dried up at an early age. Then they, too, are sold to slaughter. There are VERY few &#039;small farms&#039; that could afford to let all their bulls and spent cows just live out there natural life. It just doesn&#039;t happen. That&#039;s what you get when you keep animals in a commerce situation - money always drives decisions - and that&#039;s why I don&#039;t believe that a non-exploitative situation can exist when animals are used for human&#039;s purposes.

As for chickens eggs, the line does blur a bit more, but the same principle as above will apply. What happens to the males that are born? What happens to the &#039;spent&#039; layers? Do the chickens enjoy eating their own eggs? If they do, then they&#039;re really not ours to take! When I realized this about my own chickens (that they love eating their own eggs) that really changed the way I viewed the idea of taking what I had previously regarded as &#039;discarded and unwanted&#039;.

Anyway, these are just some of my thoughts. Sorry to go on and on! But hopefully there&#039;s something helpful in there, haha.  =)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone, so glad you found this valuable. Like Christa said, it&#8217;s important to keep ourselves educated! I was happy to learn all of these and thought it important to share.  =)</p>
<p>@ Alyssa &#8211; I understand what you&#8217;re saying, but I think that the common conception of &#8220;vegan vs local&#8221; is a <em>mis</em>conception! I eat almost exclusively local by shopping my farmers market and my co op. The rest of the stuff (coconut oil, Earthbalance, alt milks when I&#8217;m not <a href="http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/2010/08/do-nuts-have-nipples-how-to-make-homemade-alt-milk/" rel="nofollow">making my own</a> with local nuts, etc) are a fraction of my diet and honestly, I don&#8217;t sweat it.</p>
<p>I do not believe that &#8216;eating local&#8217; is as simply superiors as the local-vore movement presents it. There is a great interview on this <a href="http://animalvoices.ca/2009/08/11/no-easy-answers-mcwilliams-takes-on-locavore-logic/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, if you&#8217;re interested. The author wrote <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/031603374X?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=bonzaaphro-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=031603374X" rel="nofollow">Just Food: Where Locavores Get it Wrong and How We Can Truly Eat Responsibly</a>. Worth checking out as an alternate perspective to the dominant narrative.</p>
<p>The truth is that animal agriculture is very resource intensive, even on a small scale (more or less so depending on where you live). And this doesn&#8217;t even include the ethical argument. For me, dairy would never ever be an option. I believed that dairy was wrong when I went vegan, but once I became a mother it was absolutely solidified in my mind. As I&#8217;m sure you know, cows must become pregnant (almost always forcibly impregnated) in order to produce milk. The milk is for their calf, and by taking it we are taking from the baby and interfering with that mother&#8217;s natural relationship with her calf. Obviously in a CAFO the calf is taken from the mother all together. Maybe on a small farm the calf can stay for a while, but we&#8217;re still taking it&#8217;s milk and supplementing with something inferior. And if the calf is a male, what then? On small farms they can&#8217;t afford to just house and feed 50% of the babies born, for the duration of their lives (20 years), with no return. Of course not &#8211; they are sold for slaughter. Which is exactly what happens to the dairy cows once the intensive cycle of constant pregnancy and lactation leaves them sick and dried up at an early age. Then they, too, are sold to slaughter. There are VERY few &#8216;small farms&#8217; that could afford to let all their bulls and spent cows just live out there natural life. It just doesn&#8217;t happen. That&#8217;s what you get when you keep animals in a commerce situation &#8211; money always drives decisions &#8211; and that&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t believe that a non-exploitative situation can exist when animals are used for human&#8217;s purposes.</p>
<p>As for chickens eggs, the line does blur a bit more, but the same principle as above will apply. What happens to the males that are born? What happens to the &#8216;spent&#8217; layers? Do the chickens enjoy eating their own eggs? If they do, then they&#8217;re really not ours to take! When I realized this about my own chickens (that they love eating their own eggs) that really changed the way I viewed the idea of taking what I had previously regarded as &#8216;discarded and unwanted&#8217;.</p>
<p>Anyway, these are just some of my thoughts. Sorry to go on and on! But hopefully there&#8217;s something helpful in there, haha.  =)</p>
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		<title>By: Chance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 02:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so totally into making everything I eat myself by scratch. The product that I simply cannot resist buying packaged? Veganaise. Oh, how I love you, Veganaise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so totally into making everything I eat myself by scratch. The product that I simply cannot resist buying packaged? Veganaise. Oh, how I love you, Veganaise.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyssa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyssa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay! I don&#039;t know if you have written on this subject before, but:
How do you balance eating whole, fresh, amazing foods while being vegan? I&#039;m so torn between eating the processed crap/soy products like earth balance and almond milk or just getting eggs and raw milk and butter from local farms that I&#039;m friends with! What do you think nutrient wise and more with keeping with eating from the land? 
And do you eat your chickens&#039; eggs? 

I never know what to think about any of this and go back and forth between eating all vegan and then eating all fresh local mostly veggies and some animal products from farms I know and can hang out with my animal friends providing!

Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay! I don&#8217;t know if you have written on this subject before, but:<br />
How do you balance eating whole, fresh, amazing foods while being vegan? I&#8217;m so torn between eating the processed crap/soy products like earth balance and almond milk or just getting eggs and raw milk and butter from local farms that I&#8217;m friends with! What do you think nutrient wise and more with keeping with eating from the land?<br />
And do you eat your chickens&#8217; eggs? </p>
<p>I never know what to think about any of this and go back and forth between eating all vegan and then eating all fresh local mostly veggies and some animal products from farms I know and can hang out with my animal friends providing!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki-Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki-Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 03:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just have to tell you how much I love your site (even sent a link to my &quot;green living&quot; sister-in-law).  We are starting (slowly) to go RAW, quasi-vegetarian here as my hubby has been very sensitive to colorings and preservatives as of late.  Much thanks for the list of what IS allowed for when I go to the store tomorrow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just have to tell you how much I love your site (even sent a link to my &#8220;green living&#8221; sister-in-law).  We are starting (slowly) to go RAW, quasi-vegetarian here as my hubby has been very sensitive to colorings and preservatives as of late.  Much thanks for the list of what IS allowed for when I go to the store tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 03:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[great info!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great info!</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much for sharing!  I&#039;m printing this off and taking it shopping w/me. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for sharing!  I&#8217;m printing this off and taking it shopping w/me. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not a food additive, but just felt I should mention that Tapioca flour/starch or Arrowroot (not the same thing, but interchangeable) is an awesome vegan thickener or gelatin replacer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a food additive, but just felt I should mention that Tapioca flour/starch or Arrowroot (not the same thing, but interchangeable) is an awesome vegan thickener or gelatin replacer.</p>
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